Monday, November 10, 2008

The Rosary at Republican Commemorations? - FOR!

Michael Grey
Ógra Shinn Féin

In February 2006, Oaks Primary School in Ipswich England decided to ban hot cross buns, a small pastry that is traditionally eaten in the run up to Easter. The reason for this according to the school was that the lines of icing on the bun could be deemed offensive because they formed the shape of a cross.

October 2006, Nadia Ewida, a check-in worker for British Airways was suspended from her work because she refused to remove a tiny diamond cross from her neck. This 1/4 inch cross was regarded as ‘offensive’.

November 2008, Oxford City Council decided to rename the traditional Christmas light switch on to ‘Winterlight’, furthermore instead of a main Christmas tree in the city, a ‘solar system’ of light will stand in its place.



The reason why I have listed these examples (and believe me there are plenty more) is to give you an idea of the ludicrous war that is being waged against religion. And lets be honest Christianity is the favourite religion to bash. Christophobia has never been as popular.

Unfortunately too, this phenomenon is creeping into Ireland. The decision in December 2007 by a play-school in Dublin to ban the traditional children's nativity play (to the anger of the overwhelmingly majority of parents) was the first indicator.

Now within Republican circles the debate centres on the rosary and in particular the reciting of the ancient prayer at the graves and monuments of our patriot dead.

As Irish Republicans we believe in the creation of a united Ireland, one that is based upon equality. That ideal whereby none, irrespective of colour, race, religion, sex or sexuality would be discriminated against was so passionately believed in that thousands of men and women fought, bled and died for.

This debate over whether people have the right to pray openly and publicly at a Republican commemoration is an acid test for Ógra Shinn Féin.


Denying people that fundamental right, one that is guaranteed by our proclamation will completely contravene the true essence of equality.

Are we as Irish Republicans to follow the English example were anything that even has the remotest religious significance is to be removed, my friends that type of society is not one of equality. Creating a public space for all citizens is exactly what we are about; denying one section of society’s religious freedom in favour of the political correctness brigade (PC) is nonsensical.

Surely we as an organisation have the maturity to come to an arrangement were all sides to this debate can be satisfied, there does have to be a straight winner v loser scenario. Ógra Shinn Féin is a political movement that encompasses people from right across the island of Ireland and thus is representative of the plurality of opinion in our nation. That is our great strength; we are a diverse organisation united by our core aims and ideals. If we embark on a campaign of war against religion we will only alienate a section of our membership and a rather large component (if not majority in some areas) of our support base.

Furthermore to this, it is important to recognise the fact that Ireland is changing and many people from across the globe have decided to call our island their home, and that is a great honour. Indeed I would welcome and extend an invitation to these new communities to attend our commemorations and if willing to offer their prayers as well.

This would not only help integration into Irish society, it would also prove that once again Republicans are leading the way in demonstrating that the traditions and customs of this island can live and coexist with the practices of our new communities.


Leaving these grand philosophical arguments to one side, lets take this debate to a very human level, are we really stating that Ógra Shinn Féin wants to deny the mothers, fathers, families and friends of our volunteers the right to pray over the graves of their sons and daughters.
Have we become so blinded by political correctness and for some Christophobic sentiments that we want to refuse prayer at a grave?

This notion of removing the rosary from commemorations is a ridiculous one, know one is forced to recite the prayer, however its presence allows the people the opportunity to choose.

If the rosary is successfully removed from Easter commemorations, what will be the next target? The proclamation? After all the opening line in the proclamation is ‘’In the name of God...’’ You may laugh, but what is happening here is exactly what is happening in England.
After all, if people are willing to ban buns from schools because the icing forms the shape of the cross, then anything is a target. The question for us is whether we are going to allow common sense and equality to prevail or whether we follow the English down a disastrous route.

Equality is at stake here it is your choice whether to defend it or not...

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Excellent article Cllr.
Michael S. Down

Anonymous said...

Brilliant cartoons to illustrate your point. Interesting debate, which I will watch over the coming days.

Helen

Anonymous said...

Mickey, no one is insinuating that we deny people the right to pray at a grave. Lets face it, at the vast majority of Republican commemorations the rosary isnt said.

From my own local experience it is said at one out of five commemorations in our area every year, only because the family of this particular Oglach are very religious people and have requested that the movement provide for the saying of the rosary at his memorial.

I beleive that this is best practice. As we are a political movement and our patriot dead gave up their lives pursuing a political ideal, then the rosary should remain absent from commemorative proceedings unless otherwise requested by the family of that particular fallen comrade.

Seán

Anonymous said...

the examples sited here are in england. they are in a society where imperialism is the norm.

we are republicans, a revolutionary movement and can hardly be equated to this.

i think if we are serious about religious freedom then we shouldn't be ,linking to any religion.

A silent moment of private prayer would be the best i think.

Diarmuid

Anonymous said...

We have had Protestant volunteers in the Army. It would be wrong to recite a catholic prayer in memory of a fallen comrade from the protestant faith.

At collective commemorations such as Easter i think the rosary should be left out, although at a commemoration for a particular volunteer it should only be said at the request of that comrade's family.

Dont forget comrades, this is currently the way we do things, therefore this debate is really about wether or not we should change that. Do you honestly think that this should change Michael?

Please reply!

Anonymous said...

To anom, not actually sure what the question is. In response to the first point, our volunteers are diverse as Ireland is, comprising of all religious traditions and non. The rosary is not recited at the graves of Protestant volunteers and to my knowledge it is not said at the graves of athiest volunteers either. What I am arguing for, is that space is made for people to pray, openly, it shouldn't be hidden, there is bound to be some sort of middle ground that all can agree on. Unfortunately there are others who will not settle until there is a blanket ban on prayer a Republican graves. If people are offended by the rosary, then lets have a universal Christian prayer and invite representatives from other faiths and non to speak, expand are base. I feel however this will still not satisfie as some regard anything that has even the remotest religious significance as offensive. Again it comes back to shared space and equality.
Reply back with your question
Michael S. Down

Anonymous said...

Some areas still do the rosary at commemorations including easter.

It isn't the way everywhere

Anonymous said...

with respect to michael, s.down,

you said there inviting other faiths to pray. republican plots aren't religious gathering points.

also, you mention many new people coming to ireland and invite them to our commemorations to offer their prayers!! How about come hear and see what our politics are!!

plus the majority of people coming to ireland are catholic so are we going to make our commemorations prayer meetings?!!

I think we should be concentrating on improving the lives of all people, that's how we will spread our message.

Anonymous said...

The person who finished "please reply!"

I would essentially agree with them.

Anonymous said...

Lets be clear know one is suggesting reciting the Rosary at the graves of Protestant volunteers. the debate is wheather there should be a blanket ban or not for prayer at our commerations. Hope that clears it up

michael s. Down

Anonymous said...

home rule is rome rule!! lol

Anonymous said...

The way it is now is grand. If someone is honestly offended by the rosary being said at the grave of a Republican volunteer at the request of that vol's family, then he/she really needs a reallity check on the issue of equality!

As i said before, collective Republican commemorations organised by the movement are so to remember the sacrafice made by all fallen Republicans for the policical (not religous) ideal of a socialist Republic. As far as I am aware no such commemoration includes the saying of the Rosary, (maybe they do, the movement do things different in different areas)

I doubt very much that Johnny McGibbon is offended by the rosary being said at the request of a volunteer's family, and I also doubt that Mickey is arguing for the rosary to be forced on all Republican commemorations.

Therefore in my opinion there is no need to debate this one, the current system is fine. Its a sad day if people cant compromise on this one.

Seán

Anonymous said...

Get a grip, seriously. While I respect your point of view, I think the use of utterly mad PC examples is quite facetious. Furthermore, please don't come crying the poor oppressed Catholic in terms of the PC onslaught - their slimey fingers have latched onto a hell of a lot more than religious questions as well you know.

Anonymous said...

I think the level of debate this has attracted shows that this issue is something people feel strongly about.

However my personal view is that at gatherings such as at Main Easter Commemorations (Not graveside commemorations)the rosary should not be said. Because at these commemorations you are remembering all of those who gave their lives for Irish Freedom rather than a single volunteer.
However at gravesides where the family request that prayers should be said there should be no problem with this.

I think that in relation to graveside commemorations the ultimate call should be with the family.

Martin

Anonymous said...

Exactly, 100% Martin!

Anonymous said...

Martin and Séan have hit the nail on the head completely agree lads, Michael S. Down

Anonymous said...

Sean is right,

I am not offended by the rosary. My opinion is not one of offence.

However, I must say that for graveside commemorations the wishes of families should be respected. But, of course, i still stand by the arguements i have made.

An intersting debate nonetheless

Johnny

Anonymous said...

Good, articulated piece. Maith thu mo chara. S

Anonymous said...

Very interesting piece. Very topical issue, we need to constantly debate. Joe